What is a Legend? an Epic? a Fable? Is this Myth?
Apr 3rd, 2010 by
L Stephen O
A Story that Grows in the Telling
Everything that happens, if it involves more than one person, will have two or more opinions about what actually happened. The truth, if there is such a thing, will be somewhere among the opinions. I think a legend at its base is a story that grows in the telling, resonating more and more with the audience, while it grows less and less true to its origin.
A legend, to a storyteller, is too good to pass up. In fact it is opportunity after opportunity to tell it plain, but instead, the bard, or skald, or elder decides to tell it so they see eyes grow wide, eyes that are rivetted on the storyteller.
Fables provide lessons (and often talking animals), Myths explain gods and their interactions with people, Epics follow a series of critical events. Epic Fable? Mythological Epic? Lore applies to the collected stories of a people, perhaps it is their stories that make them a people. All these names for stories are words to describe stories of different flavors, but all of them, in someway, provide cultural cohesion. Don’t you think?
J. R. R. Tolkien set out to provide what he felt his people lacked, a mythos for the British people. It was Epic, it was Mythical, it spoke to me and continues to, as a reader, I hated to see it end. Really, I hated the end, it seemed to me that Grey Havens was one of the sadest personal tragedies that I’ve endured. Fine for Frodo and Bilbo, I’m sure Merry and Pippin and of course Sam all got on fine, but for me that world just ended. There is a hole.
The nearest thing to the feeling of exploration and discovery that I got with LOTR is the discovery of Irish Mythology. It is not in a neat package like LOTR. It doesn’t have just one imaginer. But it is an exciting and involving subject. The hole is partly filled.
But I want more. Sometimes you have to supply your own needs, like almost all the time you do so, I am in the process of writing several novels , but on the way to that I offer these thoughts, insights, resources, and diversions of interest to me and, I hope, to you. Here I hope to gather legends and lore, notes on antiquity, and present day reality.
For now, welcome and please tell me what you like or you don’t. I value your insights; I value your eyes, riveted, grown wide.
A Story Told (and told and told)
I’m a man with a story. Even my name, O’Neill, has tales attached to it (like this one of the Hand Gules that is prominent in our heraldry,) but don’t we all? I love old tales, tales of heroes, tales of real people in strange times and strange people in real times. I have wanted to write such tales and, prodded by my friend, Jeffery, I have .
I’ve just completed the first draft of a short story. In the end Concerning The Deer Riders wandered a bit farther than I had anticipated. Legendary wanderings? You can read Concerning the Deer Riders yourself and see what you think.
I’ve begun a novel. I am offering my unedited first draft as I write it. When Jeffery first convinced me to try this format I realized that the first job was to get some content up and quick. As such, my first use has been something of an artist’s sketchbook, an author’s notepad. I do believe there is value in this. Eventually it may be of use to other struggling writers to see the story of my struggle and see process as positive or negative example or even to provide encouragement by comparison.
Dear reader, I am a new novelist and at present I believe that my best chance of developing is getting something out there. If you disagree please tell me, perhaps I will progress on several tracks. putting out raw very rough drafts and going back through past stories to sharpen and polish them. Here is the novel beginnings: Intro to and Beginning of The Abbot and the Djinn . Follow my progress HERE .
Of late I feel that I’ve put quite a bit of ore on these pages. It is probably time to refine, to polish, to hammer some of these tales into something better than they were. So now, we begin the “. . . and told and told and told” part of the writers craft. Find my polished stones here .
Tir na Nua
I have imagined a world apart. A land out of time. Now, on Earth, there is little doubt about some things which have happened, have passed into history. These things are written. Before and between the stone of what is written are legends of things not written, but perhaps true none-the-less.
Tir na Nua is neither and both. Have you wished that there was a land where the Celtic world did not fall beneath the Roman? Have you wondered what that world might have been? Such things have happened in the new land and we have word of it, remembered by bards, lineage by rote, History in mind and on their lips. I bring these stories .
At one time folk we identify now as Celtic dominated much of Europe. Except for ruins, and votive offerings, and the words of enemies, and a very few scratchings on stones we have nothing left of these people. To imagine a Celtic world like insular Ireland one must imagine the real, because there is little enough to instruct us as to what that real, Earthly world was like. Enter the legend maker, the storyteller, the bard.
I have had an interest in the real Celts, Gauls, Britons, Welsh, all the diverse tribes of a people who shared a way of life and an asthetic sense and language if not blood. I want to gather material, post what I find, and get your reactions to topics of Antiquity , Celts in general , Insular Ireland , and of course my stories .
Sometimes I wish I dwelled in Tir na Nua, but instead I live in a much less misty, more pedestrian, and I would say, far less noble world. Some things that come to my attention must not pass without comment. I will comment on current events . (sorry if this is a buzz kill, please feel free to ignore all political rants of the author and return to escapist literature.)
Content
I am working to put some of my scratchings, secreted away in numerous notebooks, into a form more conducive to your perusal and consumption. These first draft stories and bits of back story are available at blog topics.
Here is a bit of that ever expanding effort? work? uh, drekk? Hopefully fascinating fiction .
I have in mind to collect many things here, but I want to produce for you stories of places outside of your experience (or anyones) and yet true and recognizable. You are welcome to browse as it accretes (I think this may be another Steveism. I should really look for it in some authoritative Dictionary.*) I will update metatags and such to reflect the sites altered state. It will never be done…
I pray I have not taxed your resources too much. Enjoy! Comment! Dispute! Encourage! Correct! Guide! Request!
Welcome to this,
LSO
PS. * ac·crete ( -kr t )
v. ac·cret·ed , ac·cret·ing , ac·cretes
v. tr. To make larger or greater, as by increased growth.
v. intr. 1. To grow together; fuse.
2. To grow or increase gradually, as by addition.
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What is a Legend? an Epic? a Fable? Is this Myth?
Feb 26th, 2010 by
L Stephen O
A Story that Grows in the Telling
A legend, at its base, is a true story that has grown in the telling, resonating more and more with the audience, while it grows less and less true to its origin. A legend, to a storyteller, is a tale too good to pass up. In fact it is opportunity after opportunity to tell a story as you heard it, but instead, the bard, or skald, or elder decides to tell it so they see eyes grow wide, eyes that are rivetted on the storyteller.
Fables are lessons often presented by talking animals, Myths report the deeds of gods and their interactions with people, Epics detail a series of critical events. But can you really catagorize a story so easily? Epic Fable? Mythological Epic? Legendary Myth? What are they? What is it?
Could it be Lore?
One might say that the word Lore applies to the collected stories of a people, perhaps they are the stories that make them a people. All these words for stories describe tales of different flavors, but all of these provide cultural cohesion. They are a shared heritage. And there is another word to add to our growing list, heritage. Don’t you think?
J. R. R. Tolkien set out to provide what he felt his people lacked, a mythos for the British people. It was Epic, it was Mythical, it spoke to me and continues to speak. As a reader, I hated to see it end, but it did. There is a small enough corpus of polished Tolkien fiction. I have to say that I have felt the lack, but then Tolkien himself is a legend.
I think Dennis L. McKiernan expressed a similar sentiment. I’m no JRR Tolkien and neither is Dennis. Personally I much prefer Morgan Llywelyn to McKiernan, or Parke Godwin or George Martin (George’s Website ) or. . . almost anyone, (sorry Dennis, in fairness I need to read something more recent of yours because I think I read your first high fantasy book and felt it was derivative, but then you said right up front what I’ve always felt, that there needs to be more high fantasy like JRR’s and you tried to fill that massive void. Good for you.)
And since Dennis has ventured forth into Heroic, Epic, High Fantasy I feel that I may too. Perhaps I will meet with even less success. But this is my wee bit flung into the void. It is to that end, the filling of the void, that I have conceived of Tir na Nua.
Welcome to Tir na Nua
I am in the process of writing stories, short and long and several novels , but on the way to that I offer these thoughts, insights, resources, and diversions of interest to me and, I hope, to you.
I hope to gather legends and lore, notes on antiquity, and present day reality. You see, a legend is changed by its times, a story is shaped by the telling. Present reality makes an impression both on how a tale is told and how it is heard. For now, welcome and please tell me what you like or you don’t. I value your insights; I value your eyes, riveted, grown wide.
A Story Told (and told and told)
I’m a man with a story. Even my name, O’Neill, has tales attached to it (like this one of the Hand Gules that is prominent in our heraldry,) but don’t we all? I love old tales, tales of heroes, tales of real people in strange times and strange people in real times. I have wanted to write such tales and, prodded by my friend, Jeffery, I have .
I’ve just completed the first draft of a short story. In the end Concerning The Deer Riders wandered a bit farther than I had anticipated. Legendary wanderings? You can read Concerning the Deer Riders yourself and see what you think.
I’ve also begun a novel. At least that is my intent. Considering changes to my schedule I think I may progress differently than I did for the Deer Riders. I intend to get it done before my birthday. A bit of a gift to me. But we shall see. As such, considering the time, with my available time, without a history of being able to work that quickly expect IF I DO that it will be very raw. Dear reader, I am a new novelist and at present I believe that my best chance of developing is getting something out there. If you disagree please tell me, perhaps I will progress on several tracks. putting out raw very rough drafts and going back through past stories to sharpen and polish them. Here is the novel beginnings: Intro to and Beginning of The Abbot and the Djinn . Follow my progress HERE .
Tir na Nua
I have imagined a world apart. A land out of time. Now, on Earth, there is little doubt about some things which have happened, have passed into history. These things are written. Before and between the stone of what is written are legends of things not written, but perhaps true none-the-less.
Tir na Nua is neither and both. Have you wished that there was a land where the Celtic world did not fall beneath the Roman? Have you wondered what that world might have been? Such things have happened in the new land and we have word of it, remembered by bards, lineage by rote, History in mind and on their lips. I bring these stories .
At one time folk we identify now as Celtic dominated much of Europe. Except for ruins, and votive offerings, and the words of enemies, and a very few scratchings on stones we have nothing left of these people. To imagine a Celtic world like insular Ireland one must imagine the real, because there is little enough to instruct us as to what that real, Earthly world was like. Enter the legend maker, the storyteller, the bard.
I have had an interest in the real Celts, Gauls, Britons, Welsh, all the diverse tribes of a people who shared a way of life and an asthetic sense and language if not blood. I want to gather material, post what I find, and get your reactions to topics of Antiquity , Celts in general , Insular Ireland , and of course my stories .
Sometimes I wish I dwelled in Tir na Nua, but instead I live in a much less misty, more pedestrian, and I would say, far less noble world. Some things that come to my attention must not pass without comment. I will comment on current events . (sorry if this is a buzz kill, please feel free to ignore all political rants of the author and return to escapist literature.)
Content
I am working to put some of my scratchings, secreted away in numerous notebooks, into a form more conducive to your perusal and consumption.
Here is a bit of that ever expanding effort? work? uh, drekk? Hopefully fascinating fiction .
I have in mind to collect many things here, but I want to produce for you stories of places outside of your experience (or anyones) and yet true and recognizable. You are welcome to browse as it accretes (I think this may be another Steveism. I should really look for it in some authoritative Dictionary.*) I will update metatags and such to reflect the sites altered state. It will never be done…
I pray I have not taxed your resources too much. Enjoy! Comment! Dispute! Encourage! Correct! Guide! Request!
Welcome to this,
LSO
PS. * ac·crete ( -kr t )
v. ac·cret·ed , ac·cret·ing , ac·cretes
v. tr. To make larger or greater, as by increased growth.
v. intr. 1. To grow together; fuse.
2. To grow or increase gradually, as by addition.
source
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Word Lore
The Author, L. Stephen O’Neill
Sep 9th, 2009 by
L Stephen O
L. Stephen O’Neill, is a guy who always intended to write novels, but never got around to it. All that has changed now that I’m using his weBLOG format to begin to write stories and even work on the first draft of a novel, The Abbott and the Djinn . I always thought I could do it, let’s see if I can.
I have been swept away by fiction before and would like to be able to do that for someone else. These stumbling first steps are a sort of writer’s notebook where I stretch my literary muscles and hopefully entertain you.
So, it would seem, that calling myself “the author” is a bit of a fiction to start. Yet for me, personally, beginning something like this, something I always meant to do, is rejuvenating. I feel younger for it. . . . . . also a bit lame.
My mother tried to read “the Hobbit” by J. R. R. Tolkien to me. It invariably put her to sleep, or perhaps my insistence that she continue to read chapter after chapter taxed her. Whatever the true reason, my mother slept and I read on. After “the Hobbit” I read “the Lord of the Rings” and the “Silmarillion,” devoured them really. But, at the Grey Havens , Middle Earth ends. . .
. . . which bring me to Tir na Nua and the Epic Fantasy that I hope to bring to you, a bit at a time here, but hopefully polished and fully one day.
First Steps
I intend to begin several topics of interest to me and hopefully you. This will provide the afore mentioned content, at least initially. In truth, I’ve already piled up quite a bit of this and that, dig into it all through the blog topics , OR take a look at what I’m doing with my Current Primary Storylines . These not only provide you with what I’m focusing on, but also put them in an order which allows you to follow the story from beginning to. . . uh. . . well. . . Hopefully I’ll finish something up at some point.
Here are some selected posts that might give you some insite to me:
Here are authors that I like. I call it my jump page . When you find out that you can’t get their stuff for FREE, you might jump back.
I wrote this on Finn McCool . Finn is one of the biggest legends in Irish lore.
If you haven’t run across a reference to Tir na Nua . . . . . .Well I just don’t know.
I need to do this: Something New Every Day .
And FINALLY, a story. The Red Hand of Courage .
Here is a bit of a Novel about Hunter Wilde and the Ui Uilsen .
I pray I have not taxed your resources too much. Enjoy! Comment! Dispute! Encourage! Correct! Guide! Request!
Welcome to this,
LSO
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Correct Guide ,
Day Firsts ,
Djinn ,
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Fingers ,
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First Steps ,
Grey Havens ,
Guide Request ,
Hobbit ,
Insistence ,
Insite ,
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Lord Rings ,
Lso ,
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Muscles ,
Novel ,
Novels ,
O Neill ,
Sleep ,
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Weblog Format
Welcome to Another World, Tir na Nua
May 2nd, 2009 by
L Stephen O
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I have imagined a world apart. A land out of time. I have collected some information on this strange new land on this
PAGE . But what Tir na Nua is primarily is a setting for epic fantasy.
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Let’s just say that writing novels is not my day job. As a result, I’m left with 15 and 30 minute stretches of time to write. I might want to present more polished work, but instead I put up what I can.
HERE you can find my first draft online novel. This is the
INTRODUCTION to
The Abbott and the Djinn .
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I’ve written a bit about what drives me to write. Read about the Author L. Stephen O’Neill
HERE . For a more involved answer than “because I like to do it” you can read this attempt at explaining it:
HERE
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Free CELTIC Fiction
My hope is to create fiction that speaks to the Celtic Heart. So, warts and all here is a new story that I rip from Celtic legend and set in my new world, Tir na Nua, the Red Son of Concubar .
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I’ve begun to post a first rough draft of this novel that I plan to finish . . .
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. . . I am writing it on the fly without recourse to a lot of notes or plotting so that I am often surprised by the turns that the story takes.
Here is the novel beginnings: Intro to and Beginning of The Abbot and the Djinn . Follow my progress HERE .
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Rough Draft Fiction Free Online
I am not polished. This is all about doing, but I always wanted to write fiction and I feel that I can. I love old tales, tales of heroes, tales of real people in strange times and strange people in real times. I have wanted to write such tales and, prodded by my friend, Jeffery,
I have .
Using a sort of “just start writing and see where it goes” technique I’ve completed the first draft of a short story. In the end, Concerning The Deer Riders wandered a bit farther than I had anticipated. Legendary wanderings? You can read Concerning the Deer Riders yourself and see what you think.
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My Polished Stones
Since this is my process, a good deal of it is rough here as I begin. My hope is to get better and better at writing Celtic Fiction so that reading it free will become a bargain and not a chore. I plan to work on a few of my stories to make works of fiction closer to my potential. That is, I plan to polish them by rewriting them for your reading pleasure and in particular the reading pleasure of those who might come across this sight and have little patience for my early fumblings unfiltered from my imagination?
Recently I’ve realized that I should not. My first goal was to get something, anything here, secondly I NEEDED to write because it had been a long time since I had. I have courted your opinion to no effect, but then why should I expect it? Do I read other’s work and offer up my opinion, my help? Not recently and can I help?
So, I intend to polish up a few of the stories that have accumulated. The raw novelization of the Abbott and the Djinn will continue, undoubtedly I’ll put up more unfiltered imaginings like the Deer Riders and Child of Moss . Then, in a section before those unpolished stones, I will begin to offer some that have had my attention and effort so that you can judge me or at least have a better chance of being reliably entertained. Some may read on to the raw. HERE is the page that will list the more polished work. (it is currently empty <sigh>)
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Other Stuff
I am in the process of writing several novels , but on the way to that I offer these thoughts, insights, resources, and diversions of interest to me and, I hope, to you. Here I hope to gather legends and lore, notes on antiquity, and present day reality. Have a look HERE
For now, welcome, and please tell me what you like or you don’t. I value your insights.
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LSO
PS. HERE are some authors I have read and admire by way of giving you hints about where I’m aiming
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